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There are lots of unreferenced stubs in this project, but this one is sorry. Bearian (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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Requested move at Talk:Eric I, Duke of Mecklenburg#Requested move 3 January 2025
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Requested move at Talk:TV6 (1994)#Requested move 23 December 2024
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Requested move at Talk:2009 Malmö anti-Israel riots#Requested move 5 January 2025
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[edit]Please would someone look at what I believe to be a failed verification, where the cited source is in Swedish. I raise the matter here as I was firmly told off for not being a Swedish speaker [1] when I last questioned this matter. The article content is at Vasa_(ship)#Historical background (last paragraph) and says:
The 17th century name of the ship was Vasen after the heraldic symbol on the coat of arms of the House of Vasa. The word "vase" in the 17th century had the primary meaning of "fascine" and also "sheaf" in a heraldic context.[1]
What I am questioning is the implication that "fascine" is or was the primary meaning
of the ship's name. The cited source does not seem to say that. It is just listed as one of the meanings, and at the end of the list. There is also a specific entry for the heraldic meaning of the word, which does not mention "fascine". The heraldry is amply visible on the ship itself.
Just to be clear, I take "fascine" to refer to a bundle of branches which is used to fill ditches, often in military engineering. I accept that there are reasonable suggestions that Gustav Vasa held that a fascine was depicted in his coat of arms. However, he had been dead more than 60 years when the ship Vasa was named.
In explaining the origin of Vasa's name I feel priority should be given to academic sources on Vasa. The two formal maritime archaeological publications and the less formal book published by the Vasamuseet director of research all say that the ship's name refers to a sheaf, as in a wheatsheaf.[2][3][4] This has been robustly contested based on the interpretation of the cited source that I am questioning here. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 10:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps Hocker 2011, p.71 can be used to give a more nuanced discussion which includes the word fascine, but points out that it is not really what we see in the coat of arms. Here's a quote:
The lowest tier is the ship’s name, in the form of a gilded vase on top of a diagonally striped shield. This is the coat of arms of the royal family. Although the vase had originally been a fascine, a bundle of sticks tied together, by Gustav Adolf’s time it looked more like a sheaf of wheat.
Jähmefyysikko (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- The entry in SAOB is organised to suggest that "bundle of sticks" is the primary meaning, in the sense of "original", not necessarily "most common". "Fascine" seems too specialised: that meaning existed, but SAOB also has an example from 1621 that says "Wasa aff Pijlar", 'bundle of arrows'. However, I'm not convinced the artcile actually needs to explain this meaning: it's pratty clear that only the heraldic one is really relevant, and that is probably best discussed in Vase (heraldry).
- Andejons (talk) 12:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Svenska Akademiens Ordbok column V 478 volume 37, "vase sbst. 3"
- ^ Cederlund, Carl Olof (2006). Vasa 1: the archaeology of a Swedish warship of 1628. Stockholm : Oxford : Oakville, CT: Statens maritima museer ; Oxbow Books [distributör] ; David Brown Book Co [distributör]. ISBN 91-974659-0-9.
- ^ Hocker, Fred; Pipping, Olof (2023). Vasa. II Part 1: Rigging and sailing a Swedish warship of 1628 The material remains and archaeological context. Stockholm : Lund: Vasamuseet ; Nordic Academic Press. ISBN 978-91-88909-11-4.
- ^ Hocker, Frederick M. (2011). Vasa. Stockholm : Oxford: Medström ; Oxbow Books. ISBN 978-91-7329-101-9.